The Nazis actually rejected the idea that homosexuality was somehow congenital, biological, innate, and they embraced what was a much older - a much more conservative and traditional view. And the assumption, too, I think, was that prostitutes who make money in the sex trade were also willing to make money through blackmailing the people they were - who were paying them to have sex. More specifically, it's about gay Berlin, the gay subculture that flourished in Berlin in the era between World War I and the rise of the Nazis, when there were nightclubs and cabarets that catered to a gay clientele, gay-themed theater and films and gay-oriented publications that were sold at kiosks. So the law had been created by the early 19th century and reformed, revised a little bit, and then it was imposed throughout all of unified Germany after Homosexuality was something that might be learned. Where did the blackmail come into this department? I found out very quickly that there are several factors that continue to affect gay people to this day. So at the Institute, they pioneered some of the first sexual reassignment surgery, and they also use some of the first hormone therapy. Was she a lesbian? There were gay publications that were sold at kiosks, which is, you know, kind of remarkable for the s. So I think it's really important to emphasize these publications because they were sort of the substrate, in a certain way, of this culture. It was something that made anybody who was suspected of breaking the law vulnerable to. So prostitution is just an extension, in a sense, of your personal, private life. I mean, there was this proliferation of publications that started almost immediately after the founding of the Weimar Republic and it continued really right down to until the Nazi seizure of power. The Nazis would arrest someone and interrogate them and take down an entire sexual history and then demand that the individual recount all of his sexual contacts, all of his social networks. Needham described a religious leadership role called mugawe among the Meru of Kenya which includes wearing women's clothes and hairstyle. And he's the author of the new book "Gay Berlin: And they would then be charged, usually under the anti-homosexuality law. Birthplace Of A Modern Identity. The sculptures at the Khajuraho temple in ancient India, which was built in approximately CE, depict same-sex relationships between men, indicating that homosexuality in ancient India was not necessarily repressed, and may even have been broadly accepted by the society. And at that point, Ernst Rohm and the leadership of the SA were assassinated. So how did it broaden out from, you know, targeting Jewish and leftist gays to just everybody? And one of the ways that they could make a little bit of pocket money was simply to sell themselves for sex. So there were actually lots and lots of, we could say, gay Nazi sympathizers who joined the SA, who joined the party, who were members of the movement, so to speak, and who also believed that because of this figurehead, they would never actually be persecuted. So it was actually made more draconian under the Nazis in , and that remained the law of the land in West Germany until it was finally reformed, starting in the very-late s.
So - and that had been one of the projects of the scientific humanitarian committee since the s, but it was also supposed to be the first real center for sexological research. So he was intimately involved in thinking about people who would describe themselves today as transgender, who felt trapped in the wrong physical body and wanted to then change to a different sex. But in his account the Mannerbund was a male-dominated elite society that had a kind of homoerotic bond. But the kind of gay rights day in Berlin is called And, you know, some of those people were, I think, gay-rights activists that we would recognize today - you know, whose agendas were very similar to agendas of the past few decades. Can we add that in addition to being anti-Semitic, he sounds pretty misogynistic too. He's the author of the new book "Gay Berlin: But the gay subculture was allowed to survive. And there are different kinds of even published descriptions of this soldier prostitution from as early as the late 18th century. Women were really just necessary for reproduction and otherwise they had very little role in public life and human society. Finding each other in Georg in the s In the fall of , Georg moved from Bavaria to Berlin for his job. No matter what interpretation is correct, the paintings show at the very least that Nyankh-khnum and Khnum-hotep must have been very close to each other in life as in death. He attracted lots and lots of new members. This article was written in cooperation with gaystream. Dover suggests that it was considered improper for the eromenos to feel desire, as that would not be masculine. He thought that it was probably an imbalance of male and female sex hormones that accounted for homosexuality or homosexual behavior. Thank you. And because Rohm, as the head of this Nazi militia, had already been a prosecuted and accused of violating the law, he was also in some respects a figurehead. It was almost like a plague, and there were so many cases that there was, really increasingly, a kind of a formal campaign against it. And no Ancient Egyptian document mentions that homosexual acts were set under penalty. Especially by the beginning of the 20th century, there seemed to be something like a scourge of blackmail. In this mastaba, several paintings depict both men embracing each other and touching their faces nose-on-nose. Two of these travelers, Rifa'ah al-Tahtawi and Muhammad sl-Saffar, show their surprise that the French sometimes deliberately mis-translated love poetry about a young boy, instead referring to a young female, to maintain their social norms and morals. Their shared memories and experiences are continually deepening. I found out very quickly that there are several factors that continue to affect gay people to this day. He also had a correspondence with Sigmund Freud in Vienna. Yes, of course, she was in fact a lesbian. And in the aftermath, the Nazis justified this action by pointing to Rohm's homosexuality - his perversion.
They were issued by the police. But, you know, even here again, virility would have to be understood maybe not as much in terms of our traditional sense of masculinity, but in terms of procreation. This relatively open gay culture attracted English writers and artists, including Christopher Isherwood, whose stories were adapted into the musical "Cabaret. Christopher Street Day. And so for Hirschfeld, this was a confirmation that sexual orientation was biological. I think one of the heroes of your book is Doctor Magnus Hirschfeld who in created the world's first gay rights organization which was called the Scientific Humanitarian Committee. And he's the author of the new book "Gay Berlin: What was the law under the Nazis? And he was also exposed as a student to the gay rights movement before the First World War. She was extremely open. He also then decided that one might be able to use sex hormones to influence behavior and also ultimately to transition to a different gender. And this was more or less the case for the first year and a half until the summer of And, of course, people had consensual sexual relations in private, so the law was difficult to enforce. So we find, you know, different kinds of statements from as early as the early s. He actually came out of the early German youth movement, and he was from Berlin. Their shared memories and experiences are continually deepening. And Hitler didn't seem to care. There's less evidence about a lesbian subculture, but it's clear that lesbians attended a lot of the same transvestite balls. So it was really severe in that respect. I'm not saying they did. It could be a learned behavior, and it really spread almost like a disease or a contagion, the way you described it. Historical personalities are often described using modern sexual identity terms such as straight, bisexual , gay or queer. So it's really not until after Stonewall that one sees this sort of open expression of gay identity or homosexual identity - lesbian identity. Driven by desire and admiration, the erastes would devote himself unselfishly by providing all the education his eromenos required to thrive in society. Yes, of course, she was in fact a lesbian.
And, of course, people had consensual sexual relations in private, so the law was difficult to enforce. And there are different kinds of even published descriptions of this soldier prostitution from as early as the late 18th century. All rights reserved. That's a great question. Georg and Dietmar, partners for 44 years For almost half a century, Georg and Dietmar have been a happy couple. Main articles: And so Magnus Hirschfeld, some of the other leaders, a lot of the progressive physicians or psychiatrists or medical doctors who also supported legal reform - they were Jewish. What he himself focuses on is bigger, and it is not relative: And one of the ways in which people have explained this is just to talk about Berlin as a military city or a garrison city. Well, you know, after completing this book and after writing about what I think is really the birth of modern homosexual identity and homosexual rights activism, I have trouble understanding why Germans still recognize the Stonewall riot or riots at the end of the '60s in as the beginning of the modern homosexual rights movement. Thus, a straight evaluation remains problematic. It was almost like a plague, and there were so many cases that there was, really increasingly, a kind of a formal campaign against it. And he was also exposed as a student to the gay rights movement before the First World War. And so they're incredibly rich in that way, in terms of information. Help us tell more of the stories that matter from voices that too often remain unheard. Where did homosexuality fit into the Nazi fear of contamination? Yeah, that's such an odd formulation, and it seems incongruous, maybe. So what was the place of prostitutes in gay Berlin? And it's this connection that probably reinforced a Nazi condemnation of homosexuality. They advertised all sorts of events, different kinds of venues and they also attracted advertisers who were really appealing to a gay and lesbian constituency, and that's also really startling, I think. In recent years, egalitarian relationships modeled on the western pattern have become more frequent, though they remain rare. And so, if you can imagine, this was a critical development for the growth of a sense of community. The best known case of possible homosexuality in Ancient Egypt is that of the two high officials Nyankh-Khnum and Khnum-hotep. And in the aftermath, the Nazis justified this action by pointing to Rohm's homosexuality - his perversion.
So was there a lesbian subculture separate from the gay male subculture? All rights reserved. So now you're in the process of writing another book called "Long Knives: Those who favour the practice say that this can highlight such issues as discriminatory historiography by, for example, putting into relief the extent to which same-sex sexual experiences are excluded from biographies of noted figures, or to which sensibilities resulting from same-sex attraction are excluded from literary and artistic consideration of important works, and so on. Some scholars believe that the paintings reflect an example of homosexuality between two married men and prove that the Ancient Egyptians accepted same-sex relationships. If homosexuals were suspected of patronizing a bar or a cafe or a restaurant, it would be closed immediately. And so women were also, you know, of course targeted and considered absolutely second-class citizens. So the law had been created by the early 19th century and reformed, revised a little bit, and then it was imposed throughout all of unified Germany after Thank you so much for having me on the show, Terry. So there had always been a lot of Prussian soldiers, ever since the 18th century, since the 17th century, who were stationed there or who had posts there, who lived there in barracks. This article was written in cooperation with gaystream. So when these cases would come to trial, the blackmailers, the male prostitutes, tended to receive much heavier sentences than their victims, even if their victims were also convicted under the anti-sodomy statute. Robert Beachy will be back in the second half of the show. So we were talking about the law - the anti-gay law in Berlin - which made gay sex illegal. Robert Beachy is an associate professor of history at Goucher College in Baltimore. He issued several what were called transvestite passes. They were issued by the police. It also has some very minor political content so it was banned pretty quickly by the Nazis after But there are some clear exceptions to those generalizations.
Homosexuality In Nazi Germany. It made it possible for individuals to find people like themselves and then also learn more about themselves. He actually came out of the early German youth movement, and he was from Berlin. Yeah, absolutely. So I think in some ways that the Germans have almost been brainwashed, and so that's - I guess that explains my ironic tone at the end of the book. So the different kinds of descriptions - some ethnographic, some journalistic - of these balls from the s and early s describe women wearing men's clothing, women in men's clothing dancing with women wearing dresses. No, not at all. Between and , tens of thousands of gay men were arrested and several thousand killed in concentration camps. I think there probably had never been anything like this before and there was no culture as open again until the s. The first references found of this slang date from the 18th century and would be related to different maneuvers of persecution and execution, as well as judicial proceedings, against male religious congregations, to which on a well-founded basis or not, were accused of homosexual behavior and pedophilia. Help us tell more of the stories that matter from voices that too often remain unheard. But then, three days after arriving in Berlin, I met Dietmar at my job. And of course there were all sorts of metaphors for this, but that was really the attitude. So virility really in the sense of, you know, making babies - that was, for the Nazis, the most important thing I think. Post in our blog in Spanish. Something really unusual about how this law was enforced was that a department called the Department of Blackmail and Homosexuality was created to enforce the law. The first part, warmer, that you can find developed in its own entry in this dictionary, can be translated in various ways and always related as warm, affectionate, heated, friendly, etc. Well, I look forward to reading that book. Not all of her friends were gay or lesbian, so she socialized with lots of other entertainers, but her sexuality was also something that was never hidden. But with the elimination of Rohm, Himmler then was able to assume more power within the regime and also within the movement. Right, named after laughter the gay-rights movement in the U. You know, you've talked about Berlin as being, like, a place where gay culture has flourished - that there was a more flourishing above-ground gay culture in Berlin than in the U.
Ancient Egyptian documents never clearly say that same-sex relationships were seen as reprehensible or despicable. And what he did is he theorized something that's called in German the Mannerbund. Well, homosexuality was always something that the Nazis condemned. One very prominent Nazi, who is also considered Adolf Hitler's best friend within the movement and also one of the so-called Alter Kampfer - somebody who had been a Nazi since the early '20s - was Ernst Rohm. He opposed the social interaction of girls and boys - thought that males were superior in all ways to females. And his theories had this incredible cultural influence, and a lot of people - people like Thomas Mann wrote, just in passing, how pervasive these ideas about the Mannerbund actually were. It was something that really didn't exist in the same way in any other European city. But there are some clear exceptions to those generalizations. And you're absolutely right. It also has some very minor political content so it was banned pretty quickly by the Nazis after Just one more thing I wanted to ask you - you end your new book with a kind of irony. And things got really bad then. Both men lived and served under pharaoh Niuserre during the 5th Dynasty c.
So what's the estimation of how many gay people were imprisoned during the Third Reich, and how many died in concentration camps and prisons? They did. I'm sorry - I didn't even mention that laughter. There's a second element, and that has to do with something that I think we talked about a little bit before. So she was not a native Berliner but she came to the city well before the First World War and she had made a name for herself, really, well before , as a kind of review singer. Accuracy and availability may vary. Homosexuality was something that might be learned. NPR transcripts are created on a rush deadline by Verb8tm, Inc. That was published in And one of the ways that they could make a little bit of pocket money was simply to sell themselves for sex. The first is explained by the meaning of warm, which would be an intermediate temperature between cold and hot, and the secular dichotomous vision of sexuality and gender. Birthplace Of A Modern Identity," and it's about gay Berlin in the s and early '30s, just before the Nazis came to power. It was almost like a plague, and there were so many cases that there was, really increasingly, a kind of a formal campaign against it.
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